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Sebastian Gorka Calls Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes “Non-Conservatives,” Prompting a Potential Interview Request
5/16/2026, 2:14:37 AM
Core Event: Gorka’s Public Assessment of Prominent Right-Wing Figures
During a Breitbart interview, Deputy Assistant to the President Dr. Sebastian Gorka was asked by Breitbart’s Alex Marlow whether right-wing terror posed a current threat in the United States. Gorka responded by questioning the conservatism of Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes, stating that if those individuals are removed from the conservative movement, “what’s left?” He further suggested that both have praised Sharia law and expressed admiration for Muslim states. Following the interview, Carlson texted Gorka, offering to meet for a direct conversation.
Background & Context: NSPM-7 and Recent Political Rifts
Gorka referenced the newly issued national security directive NSPM-7, which lists primary threat groups for counter-terrorism efforts. He indicated that the listed groups do not include “Big Foot-obsessed podcasters” or “diminutive clickbait merchants.” The exchange occurs against a backdrop of recent disagreements between Carlson, Fuentes, and former President Donald Trump over U.S. policy toward Iran, a split that Gorka’s comments appear to highlight.
Key Figures & Groups
- Dr. Sebastian Gorka – Deputy Assistant to the President for counter-terrorism, author of *Why We Fight: Defeating America’s Enemies – With No Apologies*.
- Tucker Carlson – Host of the Tucker Carlson Network, former Fox News commentator.
- Nick Fuentes – Far-right commentator and MAGA defectors.
- Alex Marlow – Breitbart journalist who posed the interview question.
- James Fishback – Republican gubernatorial candidate in Florida who sought clarification from Gorka.
Official Statements & Responses
Gorka publicly denied labeling Carlson or Fuentes as terrorists, stating, “I said nothing of the sort.” He emphasized that NSPM-7’s threat list excludes the podcasters in question and reiterated his view that the two are not part of the conservative movement. Carlson’s response was a text message proposing a direct interview, indicating willingness to discuss the remarks.
Criticism & Opposition
National-security reporter Ken Klippenstein inferred that Gorka might leverage NSPM-7 to target Carlson and similar figures, suggesting a strategic redefinition of their political alignment. Paul Wood, writing for *The Spectator*, described Gorka’s language about “human filth” and “bodies stacked like cordwood” as unseemly for a public official. A source familiar with U.S. special-forces reportedly said elite units “hold Gorka in contempt.” The *New Republic* noted that Gorka’s claim of no comparable right-wing violence trendlines mirrors a common right-wing talking point, without providing independent data.
Conflicting Reports & Gaps
- Gorka asserts there are no “comparable trendlines to violence on the right,” yet the article supplies no external verification of this claim.
- While Gorka denies calling Carlson a terrorist, his earlier statements labeling the two as non-conservatives and potential security threats create ambiguity about his exact position.
- The criteria Gorka uses to exclude “Big Foot-obsessed podcasters” from NSPM-7’s threat list remain unspecified.
Verbatim Quotes
- “I’m not sure that Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson are conservatives… If you remove those individuals and you understand that they’re not conservatives, what’s left?” — Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to the President
- “Seb! I’ve been watching you talk about me on the internet and I think it might be more productive to speak directly,” — Tucker Carlson, Fox News host
- “I said nothing of the sort,” — Dr. Sebastian Gorka, response to James Fishback
- “human filth.” — Dr. Sebastian Gorka, describing his targets
- “If you are lauding Sharia law, if you are saying that there are Muslim states that seem to be better qualitatively than America in terms of freedom and prosperity, I’m not sure that means you’re part of the conservative movement.” — Dr. Sebastian Gorka
What’s Next
Cockburn reports that Gorka may soon appear on Carlson’s program, potentially turning the exchange into a televised discussion. Observers anticipate further scrutiny of NSPM-7’s application to domestic figures, while critics await clarification on whether Gorka’s remarks will influence future counter-terrorism policy.
